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General soul research-About God

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發表於 2020-3-11 21:25:52 | 顯示全部樓層 |閱讀模式
General soul research-About God

Author :Chang Kai-Chi  張開基

translation: 某君

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God and nature

1. First, if "God" is also produced from nature, and is the same as all things in the world, including human beings, then God is certainly impossible omnipotent. Since god is from the nature, everything in nature must not be created by God. Similar to other things in the nature, God is created by nature. Then, in terms of logic, "God" must have limits. It is impossible to live forever, and it is impossible for all other life to be low-energy and incompetent, Only God is unique, and it is omnipotent and know everything. So, this assumption is basically unfounded, and this is different from the doctrine of "monotheism".
Second, if everything in the universe, including lives and human, are created by God, as we know it now. A galaxy has 100 billion stars, and there are 100 billion galaxies in the known universe. So, is there any life in the other 100 billion X 100 billion stars? Is it as lively and crowded as the Earth? If this is the case, and it is also created by God, then why does God pay special attention to Earth humans?  God requires human beings to obey his commandments, and to destroy the city as he will, or even to create a flood to destroy all living things? The God want humanity to serve him cautiously and fear Him? Does God demand so many different lives on all other planets he created? If so, what is the purpose of serving him in fear of him? What benefits or effects does this have for him?

If "God" is truly omnipotent, then everything must be complete and perfect. Of course, there is no need for incompetent humans or other life to serve. He can destroy the world as he like, at least Earth humans have been really scared about that, there is no need to emphasize the command again and again.

If Earth is the only plane with lives and human and there is no life on other planets, compared with the whole universe, the earth is really a smaller dust. The lives on earth are even smaller than dust. Why does the omnipotent god create such a tiny life? And still cares whether these trivial little things believe him or not, cares about whether these tiny little things serve him carefully! Is there a sincere fear of Him, and care if human beings really fear of God?

Why can't "God" create a bigger life? Or the power of "God" can only create such a small life? And it’s not yet in full control, so God need repeat these trivial little things to fear him?

For humans, would you like to observe your own "creatives" or pet at least within the normal range of sight. For example, raising ants or bees; even if you cultivate bacteria or viral viruses, you can observe them with a microscope. Even new viruses created by human, we could destroy them if the virus is out of control. Will you repeat these bacteria or viruses to serve and awe yourself?

If this was 2000 years ago, 1000 years ago, or even 500 years ago, it was still in the cognitive era that people believe the Earth as the center of the universe, the earth is the largest, bigger than the sun, the moon and other stars, People believe all the celestial bodies are rotating around the earth and the in the Earth human being is the only wise creature created by God. It is at least understandable to have such words and demands through the religious clerics of some religions to "deliver the will of God." For example, if we are beekeepers, we have a box of bees to help them work for us (collecting honey). Of course we will hope that they will serve us and fear us. These bees should have no objection to hard work, these bees should not move to other places to help others work. However, the condition must be that these beehives should be built as close as possible to the human and must be within the scope of our vision and care. It is impossible to be in Taipei, all beehives are randomly placed in the remote countryside of Pingtung, it will be difficulty for you to visit more than twice a year.

Well, now, we now know that the earth is not the center of the universe, the sun is bigger than the earth. The Milky Way is bigger, and the entire known universe is even bigger and unimaginable. In contrast, the earth is small and far away, put these little things(human) so far, so what about raising such a trivial little thing? Is it reasonable to have such a small thing to serve yourself and to fear yourself?

If all things in the universe and all life including human beings are created by "God", why are there so many natural disasters on Earth? How can a beekeeper be stupid and will not build the beehive near the sulfur spring in the “Hell Valley”? The God want people serve him to fear him, but why is the omnipotent "God" creating such a violent Earth? Why did the “311(20110311)” earthquake in Japan and tsunami in south east Asia happen? Is "God" beginning to punish humans again? If not, why can't God stop or even eliminate such a disaster? If human beings are all destroyed by natural disasters in the global environment, how can they serve and fear God?

3.  If God is God and Nature is Nature, then what is the relationship between the two? Like the universe we live in, is He the other largest universe? At least these two universes are equal or similar, so why does he like to ask us about a negligible galaxy in the universe, why does he care about the insignificant earth in the solar system? There are a group of tiny things(human) in the earth, god keep ask these tiny things believe in him, and must server him?



4. Regarding the third point, God is very serious? Is God really serious? Or just like a temporary pulse that want human believe in him. If it is serious, the pattern of "God" is too small? His heart is too narrow? Or is his ability is just limited? Otherwise, if he is really omnipotent, there is such a little sway(earthquake) and storm on the earth, why can't God stop it, or in his eyes, God just doesn’t care these small things, then why does God care about whether human believe him or not? Why does God care about if Human serve him or Human obey the commandments?

5. Similarly, regarding the third point. If God and Nature are parallel and have nothing to do with the nature of our universe, all things and life on Earth are not created by Him. Why does God ask people to believe in him, serve him, and fear of him?

However, there is one fact that is true; since the beginning of human history, there has never been a time when everyone has heard "God" at the same time; it is said that only a single-digit individual has been heard. If God is very concerned about these trivial little things on earth, believe in him or not? Serve Him with caution and fear Him? Why not announce it in public?

If we are the commander of the boot camp, we hope that all recruits can obey our own orders, then of course we wish all the recruits can understand the meaning of the various orders. Those obedient and well-behaved will get rewards, and disobedience or inadvertently recruits will get punished. Of course all the orders and rules should be announced in public, to make the rules well-known, how can it be mysterious to tell only one of the recruits, and then ask him to tell other numerous recruits?

Is it difficult for God to publicly announce the rules? Can't he do it? If not, how can it be called "all-powerful"?

Think about it?

"God" has created everything in the universe, especially life and humans on earth?

"God" is also a natural product?

"God" is another parallel universe.

Any other possibility? ? ?

 樓主| 發表於 2020-3-11 21:26:56 | 顯示全部樓層
Did God create man, or man Created God?

There is an old saying that "need to be the mother of invention";

All creative inventions are derived from "needs," because of the need in daily life, because of the need for work, because of the needs of the inner spiritual level, etc., so that human beings have been constantly creating inventions since ancient times, and established today’s Material civilization and spiritual civilization.

Think about it; since ancient times, God need people or people need God?

If God is real and omnipotent, why does He need a relatively "very incompetent" person?

In the ancient times, when faced with nature, Human were so weak and incompetent. They often have to fight against natural disasters and other predators. Even if they can’t get a strong backing in the realm, they have this in their hearts. A strong demand and desire, especially in the face of unbearable disasters and injuries, will of course be eager to have a "super-powerful" "all-powerful" to rely on.

And this nameless "super strong" is like the "invincible superman" fantasized in a child's heart. It can help him to repel any strong enemy, help him get anything he wants, help him to hurt, or lead him to the most. The most beautiful place of happiness, giving him the most desirable happy life..

Therefore, people pray in their hearts, pray for the emergence of this "super strong", and pray that this "super strong" will fulfill his wishes. When people share this heart and mind, this fantasy "super strong" begins to be described. It is getting richer, more detailed, more and more super-large, more and more "real", a kind of "real" that can't be seen at all...

Then, from the initial anthropomorphic, with the disagreement of different opinions, it gradually turned into "indescribable", the "God" with anthropomorphic personality has been formed.

God, created because of human needs, because human beings need to rely on it, so they describe it as omniscience and omnipotence. In order to make the relationship between God and human beings closer, it is said that God has created human beings. "Human were created in his image," and because "human beings are God's chosen people," God loves the world.

However, obviously, the things that come out of fantasy are always impossible and seamless. Therefore, when "God" becomes a religious worship of a large scale, it is faced with "because human beings are the electors of God" and "God loves the world" ... Why is the "human world" created by God so cruel, hard, multi-disaster and difficult?

So the oldest religious leader must be self-explanatory, not only to persuade most people, but also to persuade themselves to be confident. Therefore, to maintain the omnipotence of "God" and the world that is created for him is not perfect find an excuse, then there is the story "there is an Eden"...

The Garden of Eden was originally full and happy, but because Adam and Eve committed sin, they were driven out of the paradise, and the human descendants, including the later generations, will suffer for the sins. Human will not be redeemed, unless you believe in God firmly.

This is really a very good trick. One stone and two birds, which find excuse for the God and strengthened the authority of religion.

However, "God creates people according to his image" is just a line in the Old Testament "Genesis". There is no specific evidence. If there is any other evidence, modern science and technology must be able to find a clue. Today, any important events happening on Earth will leave behind some discoverable clues.

The only possibility is that people are not created by God because there is no God at all!

All kinds of monotheisms that advocate "creation theory", which is created based on human beings’ need. Human’s need keep changing, when the need is getting lower and lower, not only are more and more doubts, but the speed of the collapse of "creation" and "god" will also be faster and faster. Especially when the wisdom of the people is gradually improved, the authority of religion is relatively declining...

Any time is a good start, include now. The "God" created by man, no matter in any religion, the figure is fading out.

 樓主| 發表於 2020-3-11 21:28:36 | 顯示全部樓層
God is Chinese’s work horse.

Chinese are probably the earliest to see the true nature of the so-called "God". Therefore, it seems that the Chinese are also multi-divine and even "all things animistic(Animism)". However, in the bones, Chinese’s attitude to God, Ghost, or any other spirits are kind of very "realistic utilitarianism". As long as the God/Ghost/Spirit can provide blessings/luck and wealth, Chinese are open to worship any of them. Even they know he is devils or evil ghost. They hold a trading mentality, and they are expecting get something big with a small amount of incense. Once the “return of the investment” is not good as expected, they will immediately turn around and discard them, and find new objects. On the other way, Once the God provide what they need, they are quite generous to provide more incense during their second visit(还愿). when you want to, so there are many objects in the temples of China that are still worthy of dedication. You could find a thin gold medal, or a pair of giant stone pillars carved with dragons, all these are common to find in temple, which are contributed by the believers. But apart from this "trading relationship", there is no advantage and it is impossible to be just a devout faith. In the event of an accident or loss of life and property, they will never be as humble as a Western Christian. Chinese will not think in the way as "This is God's will", and they almost never have such a concept. It is very simple and very realistic, only the dichotomy of "competent and incompetence(to fulfil believer’s wish)"; so it is analyzed from the bones; basically Chinese’s devotion is limited to the surface, and people perform very cumbersome, very lively, and rich in sacrifices. However, in fact, there is no such thing as "pious" or "sincere" in mind. Some points about this can be seen from the interaction of Taiwanese and their God/belief.

Since the beginning of the Ming and Qing Dynasties, when Zheng Chenggong drove the Dutch to start new era in Taiwan, in addition to setting off a large-scale immigration wave, there was also a large-scale "God migrant wave", like the most common Buddha, Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara, Jade Emperor, Mazu, and other God of Taoism. Other god of local belief also has been moved to Taiwan as well, such as “King of three mountains(三山國王)” and “God of KaiZhang(開漳聖王)”.

While people need keep exploring new land and unknow areas, they will ask for blessings from all kinds of Gods. To fight with disease, they even worship the “God of disease”.  At the same time, immigrants also fight with other tribes to get more natural sources. During these fighting and natural plagues, a lot of the deceased were single or have no descendants, which mean no one sacrifice them after the death. A lot of temple were built to host these souls without descendants. The traditional concept of “the deceased should be respected still very popular. All kind of believes are prevalent in Taiwan.

However, no matter what kind of gods are believed, basically, for a long time, the general believers are psychologically quite devout, and almost never heard of the destructive behavior of God. However, since the Lottery and mark six began to be popular in Taiwan area, The status of the gods suddenly plummeted...

This is of course related to the greed of the people who want to get rich in one night; those wealthy gamblers, in order to get the inspiration for the selection of the endorsement, often resort to various gods, hope that due to the guidance of the gods, get the number of the lottery, to get big bonus. At the same time, they promised if they won the prize, they will come back and reward the god/temple in various ways.

It is conceivable that this kind of gambler who asked the gods and ghosts, often put a big stake in lottery or mark six.  It is not just a psychology to play with, but of course it is very serious. However, compared with the odds of random numbers, although there are a few people who are really winning, not that many. Most of the gamblers lost their money. The huge loss of the money made these believers not believe thg Gods anymore, even got angry and resentment in the gods. In some extreme case, the believers set fire to the temple, or take the knife to smash the statue...



In the author's memory, in the 1970s, there was the crazy wave of buying patriotic lottery. The temple that was first smashed by mad gamblers set fire to vent their anger, it seems to be the "Nine-heaven fairy Palace (九天玄女宮)" somewhere in the north. After this, a lot God statue in the temples of Taiwan have always been destroyed, which was previously piously dedicated
Some of them were slashed by scabbards and slashed with knives. Some were turned into coke by burning fire, and some were thrown into the river. Suddenly there was a new kind of God in Taiwan. It is called "Homeless god". As long as there is a lottery and new result of lottery revealed, there will be many "Homeless god" that have been cut, burned, and throwed the river. Later, some people have built a simple shed. To accommodate these dilapidated gods that have been abandoned, it is really ridiculous after watching it.

On the time six mark and lottery was popular all over the Taiwan, there were many temples that claim they could predict the result of lottery or six mark.

These child media claim they could predict. Lots of temples without child media started to recruit child media to the temples. So, the salary of child media suddenly increased a lot, and the demand of child media kept increasing. Therefore, there were even some training class about “how to become a child media quickly”. A lots of child media was trained quickly and start working in these temples.

However, in the same way, there are only a handful of people who can win the lottery. Most of the gamblers lost their money, some of them even lost all of their wealth. How could these gamblers easily give up? Some of the gamblers start damage the status in the temples. These behaviors were pretty reasonable. However, some of the temples even didn’t have child media, and never claimed that they could predict the result of lottery. Some believers pray and draw divination sticks at the temple, similarly, some temples have been torn up after reveal of the lottery result.

From this, we can see that the status of the gods in Taiwan has plummeted, and we have seen the irrational side of the beliefs of Taiwanese folks and ghosts, especially the greedy behavior of gamblers. However, because of this unique phenomenon of Taiwan, it allows us to see the essence of the beliefs of the ghosts and gods in Taiwan nakedly, and then we can deduce the essence of the beliefs of ghosts and gods throughout China since ancient times;

That is to say, on the surface, because of the influence of the Confucian teaching of "respecting the ghosts and the gods, the generally stay away from them”, most of the educated people just respect the god/ghost. For the general public, most of them were not educated, in order to pray for blessing, the worship of the gods and ghosts were very popular. General people like have a close relationship with god/ghost. Not only do they like travel far away to the temple and worship, but they are also very happy to bring these statues to the home and put on the table which is originally dedicated to ancestors. The purpose was to welcome the gods who were known as the mighty gods in the temple to be private, to make the public god as private god to protect the luck and wealth of the family.

However, as a result, the respect is only limit to the surface. The actual position of the gods has been degraded. It is more straightforward to say that in fact, the Chinese have a contradictory behavior that they do not know, and on the one hand they are very awed of ghosts and gods, on the one hand, they use ghosts and gods as servants for their own interest. Just like how the master manages the general servants, one hand is full of candy, but another hand holds whip, which is the two-faced tactics of reward and punishment. In addition to the usual worship of the fragrant incense, they also sacrifice animal during every 1st and 15th of the lunar month and birthday of the God. This is a kind of trading behavior, because it is not just a pure faith of devout, but the purpose behind it is that it hopes to win the favor of the ghosts/gods, and further to obtain more luck and wealth. All the goal is for believer’s private interest.

then,

When they are sick or family member is sick, ask the ghosts for blessings or prescript of herb medicine.

When they take the exam, ask ghosts and Gods for blessing and good luck.

When they are short of money, ask ghosts and Gods to give wealth.

When they start new business, ask the God for good luck of the business.

When they or their family member go out, ask the ghosts and gods to protect the journey.

Single men and women pray for ghosts and gods to find the object for marriage.

When they got something stolen or have a loss of livestock, pray the ghosts and gods to quickly find them.

 樓主| 發表於 2020-3-11 21:29:39 | 顯示全部樓層
In the event of a natural disaster or a military disaster, ask the ghosts and gods for good luck and protection.

When there was no descendant and or not enough members in the family, ask the ghosts and gods to be able to have more children and grandchildren.

All these are nothing but selfishness, and the purpose is to avoid disaster or get blessing. There was never seen any prayer asking benefit of other people.

Therefore, the purpose of worshipping the ghosts and gods is only to satisfy their personal desired.  Therefore, the so-called gods and ghosts have become the long-term work horse of the Chinese, and they must also be the omnipotent. The Gods and ghosts need be both doctors, teacher, unpaid gold masters, marriage matchmakers, police, private detectives and bodyguard. Moreover, in order to avenge the enemy, the believer even hope that these ghosts could act like killer to punish the enemy...

But what happens if these gods and ghosts did not satisfy the wishes of the believers?

Some believers will stop the worship, and become believer of other ghosts and gods, and some believers even sent the statue of the God to original temple or original altar. However, after prevalence of six mark and lottery, more and more god statutes were cut, burned, or through to river.

Therefore, to explore the ultimate truth, in fact, it is because the Chinese are too smart and too conceited. They have long seen that the so-called gods and ghosts are not so high, so sacred and inviolable. The respect to God is really limited to surface. The relationship between man and ghost is only a conditional trading relationship between material worship and acquisition of interest. Therefore, the lofty status of ghosts and gods is only in appearance. In the bones,
Gods/ghost are only the long-term work horse of the Chinese. Once the Gods cannot satisfy the believers ‘need, they got fired the statue of the God got damaged.

Of course, it is also necessary to explore more about the true nature of these Gods, which were called as long-term workhorse of Chinese.

In fact, since the original animism of Shaman, traditional Chinese Taoism and folk religions have almost regarded all the environment elements as Gods, including the sky, the mountains, the trees, the flowers, the table, and the door. Among the common folk religions, there are many ghosts and elves who are deified because the believers flatter them. There are also some gods which originally are not high, such as stove god, kitchen gods, and some underlying of the gods, and all these Gods could be just some ghosts without any Divinity. However, even in the traditional religions, the so-called Gods could be just normal ghosts. In this appendix, a story written by Yuan Mei, a talented scholar of the Qing Dynasty, in his book "Zi Buyu(子不語)" in introduced here, and the title of the story is "It is not necessary to be sage to become a God ".

"There was a scholar named Haizhong Li. In order to take the autumn in the capitol, He hired a ship start from north of Suzhou. While reach Huaizhong, suddenly a former neighbor Mr. Wang asked for a hitchhiking, and Haizhong said yes. During the evening, Mr. Wang told him that he is not a human, but a ghost. The purpose of the trip is to claim debt to Mr. Zhang. Coincidentally, Mr. Zhang is Haizhong’s relative, so Haizhong is scared and try to intercede the issue.

The Ghost Mr. Wang agreed that as long as Mr. Zhang pay the debt back, he will not hurt Mr. Zhang’s life. Once Haizhong and the ghost got to capitol, Mr. Zhang got sick because of the ghost. Since Haizhong was acting as agent in the middle, the Zhang family agreed to pay the debt, and the ghost agree to conclude the affair.

Afterall, Haizhong didn’t do well in the exam. Haizhong and the ghost Mr. Wang decided to return south of China. While staying in the ship, for all the food, the ghost didn’t eat, just smell it. The weird thing is that once the ghost smelt the food, the food will become cold immediately.

When the ship went to Suqian (a small town in the northern part of Jiangsu Province), the ghost said: "There is drama playing in one of the village, let’s go and watch together!" Haizhong agreed.  One human and one ghost saw a few plays under the stage, the ghost suddenly disappeared, only heard Suddenly there was a sound of flying sand and stone, and Li Haizhong had to return to the boat alone...
In the evening, the ghost actually wore a gorgeous official uniform and came back to the ship and said, "I won't go back with you. I want to stay here to be Guandi(關帝) God!"

Li Haizhong asked him with a big surprise: "How dare you be Guandi?"

The ghost smiled and said: "The bodhisattva and Guandi in the temple are all ghosts. The drama played in the village is a tribute to the Guandi in the village Zhongguan Temple, the ghost who pretended to be the emperor in the village and accepted the incense of the villagers. The wild ghost is more rogue than me, I am so angry when I met him. So I fought with him, and I defeated him and drove him away. Didn’t you hear the sound of flying sand? At that time, I was just fighting with him..."

In the end, the ghost (Mr. Wang) stayed in the village, replacing the original rogue ghost and continued to pretend to accept the worship of the villagers.

Haizhong Li returned to his hometown and brought the money to wife of the ghost.

Although this is only a story in a note-writing novel, an important message revealed in this story is that hundreds of years ago, Chinese literati had learned about the relationship between "ghost" and "god" in folk religion. The mysterious relationship, in a nutshell, is that there is indeed a god between the heavens and the earth, but it is by no means the idols of the woodcarving clay sculptures that ordinary people worship in the temple of the gods. The idols of all sizes, ages or new or old, carved with fine work or rough work, with various names, but they are not God, but some ghosts. Of course, these lonely ghosts are not necessarily rogue evil spirits, but probably most of them are.

What are you asking for while praying to the gods and ghosts?

Almost all religions encourage the believers to worship the gods and pray for the gods.

Especially when the believers encounter any troubles in their lives, it is necessary to pray for the blessing and guidance of the gods, because human beings are small, but God is omnipresent and omnipotent. God is compassionate too. They are taking care of our children on the ground like loving parents. Therefore, human beings should accept the arrangement and protection of the gods.

Such arguments have probably been regarded as irrefutable truths since the beginning of human religious behavior, and almost no one has ever questioned the teachings? Even atheist rarely criticize such a point of view, but, in fact, the idea itself is built on an extremely ridiculous basis, think about it;

If the gods are really compassionate; just as parents are taking care of their children in a meticulous way, why does God need his children to worship and pray for the protections and guidances? Is there someone in this world who finally got the care and support of his parents after worshipping and praying? On the contrary, if a child stands on the side of the road, and he prays to an irrelevant stranger to care for him to raise him. Is there any stranger will unconditionally agree to take care of the child like his biological parent? Just because he heard the child’s praying?

So the answer is very obvious. If the gods are really compassionate, just like the parents of the world's love their children, without the children's praying, will love him and take care of him. If the gods are not compassionate, then what is the benefit of praying?

In addition, only if the god is omnipresent and omnipotent human praying has substantial meaning. Otherwise, if the gods are not omnipresent, how can he hear human prayers anytime and anywhere? And if He is not omnipotent, then even if he hears the prayers of mankind, how can he agree and satisfy the things that human beings pray for?

The weird logic is also here. if the God is really omnipresent and omnipotent, that is, the so-called "omniscience and omnipotence", it is not necessary to wait for the small human beings to pray. He must have solved the problem for mankind without human praying. As the he six million Jews who went to the Nazi massacre and the 300,000 Nanjing citizens who were slaughtered by the Japanese invaders, did some of them ever pray to the God? Did they get saved?

Then look at the Temple of Heaven in Beijing. It was built in the Ming Dynasty. It was the place where the emperor sacrifices and prays for raining and blessing. The Ming Dynasty died. The Temple of Heaven also became the sanctuary of the Qing emperors. Every year the emperor prayed for raining and blessing here again. What did we see? Qing dynasty destroyed after the Xuantong Emperor. Why?  Is it because the ceremonies of the two dynasties are not grand enough? Are the sacrifices not rich enough, or are dozens of emperors not enough devout?

So, what exactly do we want to pray for? Why do we want to pray? And if we cannot obtain anything even pray to the God, then switch to some ghosts, what could we get? These ghosts don't even have enough for themselves; they need to come to the human world to beg.

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